Solo...

topic posted Thu, December 13, 2007 - 8:32 AM by  Robyn
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I'm looking for inspiration/insight on how you folks solo. Personally, I'm not much of a solo dancer (my comfort zone is definitely cueing) and ALWAYS find myself stringing together moves and combos I've learned in class when it's time to dance solo. There's nothing wrong with that, but I'd like to add some variety into how I dance.

I think what I mean is that any time I'm dancing by myself, I'm basically dancing through cued moves that anyone from the troupe or class could jump up and follow. If you consider that type of solo, when placed in a line up of several group/duet/trio numbers, then it's not really that interesting is it? I'd basically be doing lots of overlapping moves that the whole troupe had done throughout the course of the show, just by myself. Like I'm cueing an improv and everyone else forgot to come on stage.

Again, I don't think there's a WRONG way to plan out solos, and the one I'm doing at the Holiday Hafla on Tuesday is just this type of choreo, but how do I make it interesting? I know the general rules of using your entire floor space and playing up different sections of your audience; I'm thinking more on the basic level of planning out the actual moves.

How do you all approach solos? Do you choreograph move by move? Do you just get out there and wing it? Do you start with a skeleton outline and then just get out there and wing it? Do you string together cued moves too? How do you make it look distinct: like a performance and not just like you drilling in your bedroom in front of the mirror? Do you count and precisely assemble every pop, lock, and undulation?

I'd really like to hear from your own experiences.
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Robyn
Cincinnati
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  • Re: Solo...

    Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:41 AM
    I'm cheating and using a solo that someone else choreo'ed.
    I always feel like my solos are best when it's music that really makes me want to move and I just dance, but I feel like one of my main issues is still just needing more experience.
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      Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:50 AM
      I feel you on the starting with awesome music thing...but once I get up to dance, it's just me cueing for no one! I need more experience too. :o)
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    Thu, December 13, 2007 - 12:59 PM
    This is one place where I feel like all those years of ballet and jazz and modern dance help. And all those other years as a club kid grooving in front of the speaker stacks. I just don't think in terms of 'moves' (which is probably why I have such horrible recall when it's time for me to cue) but in terms of movement and space and musicality. Like, when I hear music, the last thing that comes to mind for me are the moves or combos that we learned in class. I'm thinking more of trying to interpret into movement what the music is telling me to do.

    Wow, I think that's about as om-zen-spiritual as I'm capable of being. Sweet jesus stop me now before I describe my process as "organic".

    I think the FCBD-style cued tribal that we usually do is so structured and has such a rigid framework that I think it just does not provide a good basis for soloing. I mean, the good tribal solo dancers (like RB and Zoe) hardly ever do 'moves' or 'combos', they do something completely different that feels (to me) more like cab or jazz or modern.

    Anyway, maybe just try mixing it up by trying to string together ONE repetition each of a bunch of moves... like, break our combos into individual steps, rearrange them, and string them together. It might not result in a pretty choreo, but might be a good exercise in thinking outside of the usual framework.
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      Thu, December 13, 2007 - 1:46 PM
      So raw. So real. Very honest. Pure.

      :oP

      That's the thing...I have a good grasp of musicality I would say. At least when cueing I always try to change moves to coordinate with music changes and really emphasize "different stuff is happening now because the music says so" for drama and presence, etc. And I've never had any trouble just busting it out on the dance floor at a club...I just can't really find a medium between club dancing and my tribal cue system. Remember the gig at Red Cheetah? Good thing everyone there was trashed and mostly naked, so no one was paying much attention to my sweet ass half club half dance class groove.

      You're right: tribal soloists never actually seem to do "moves" or combos...when we work on soloing in class I try to work on that, but it's like I said earlier: I end up feeling like I'm just drilling.

      As always, I guess the key is practice.

      Thanks for the thoughts, Mel.
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        Thu, December 13, 2007 - 1:51 PM
        Do you find it easier to solo (as opposed to cueing no one) to slower music?
        I do. Not sure why.


        Linnett, can you describe the concept of MIS for us? Maybe give some advice?
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      Re: Solo...

      Thu, December 13, 2007 - 10:56 PM
      Hi Mellie,

      I found your response, very interesting as I can really relate to it. When I first decided to do a solo, a few weeks ago, I first had the idea to either use a late period Madonna song, or another techno song, with a similar tempo. Having never soloed with the Jazz and Ballet classes that I performed at high schools with, I either had my partner or the rest of the group to rely on, eliminating the need for cues. This is definitely a habit, that I have brought into Katy's class. I realized that in order for me to write my own solo, I should just put something on, move to it and let it flow. It felt much more comfortable for me to improvise using something at a slower tempo. Even in a club, there seemed to be some kind of telepathy with the other people on the dance floor. So, I picked something very short and slow, a couple of weeks ago, and I have been religiously moving to it repeatedly. I did not plan any of my moves, but I just started moving the way that I wanted to, and my solo is now starting to become more cohesive. I must also confess that my solo is now deriving more from ballet than "bellydance" as the tempo and speed of the music seems more ballet-ish. I will not let anyone know what I am using for music yet, although I did e-mail Katy a "WMP" file of it, but I will give a hint as what to expect. I wanted to choose something very different and oddball, with a lot of orchestration. I have always been a fan of those groups from the sixties that used different types of melodies, orchestrations, vocal harmonies, and different times signitures, like The Beatles, Beach Boys, The Who, The Byrds,etc.; This kind of music, to me seemed exotic enough for me to do something simple, fun, and different. I am using a one minute song from that genre and my idea is starting to come together nicely. I can't wait to see what everyone else is doing.

      Cheers!

      Chris
      • Re: Solo...

        Fri, December 14, 2007 - 9:26 AM
        Maybe it's easier to solo to slow stuff because there are less rigid MOVES per se and very few combos...it's all just kind of milking it. As a whole though, soloing in general is awkward for me, slow just being a little bit less so.

        And the song I'm doing is a song I love, but it kind of feels more suited to a large group improv than a solo...but it's something I put together a long time ago and I'm not sure I have time to work up something totally new. Not that I really have time to work on what I'm planning :oP

        Linnett, I'd love it if you could chime in. And anyone else for that matter.
        • Re: Solo...

          Fri, December 14, 2007 - 1:41 PM
          Okay, my experience on this is so recent and maybe not much help, but I'll try...

          I used a drum solo because there were distinct sounds that I could picture working well with certain moves. I've choreographed hip hop a TON so I figured this would be a breeze...not so!

          I sat down and listened to the song I wanted to use. I tried to figure out what the pattern was. Was anything repeated? How many counts, etc...
          Once I figured out how many counts I had to move in I started to play with different things. I knew I wanted to do chest lifts through the first 4 8 counts where the music "chinged" and then knew I had to come up with stuff to string it together, move me around the floor, etc... I kept my arms rather static and working with Katy one night, helped me to realize they don't always have to stay shooting out of my shoulders, parallel to the floor. :)

          My dance, as you'll see on Tuesday is super basic but in all, it really helped me to listen to the song a lot and try to figure out what the music suggested. Should it be heavy? Light? Fast? Should I roll something? When I decided what the movement should be, I then tried to think of moves that fit that. I practiced a couple of them with the music and the ones that fit the best, I used.

          This may only make sense to me. And maybe planning it out isn't for everyone, but it really helped me to organize something that didn't look like a ton of moves strung together for no reason.
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            Fri, December 14, 2007 - 1:44 PM
            oh, and in regards to breaking up moves that we learn in class...i did that in the beginning of my solo.

            the "taffy pull" (i don't know what else to call it) that comes out of the four four (?)...I used that to turn myself around only I stopped it as soon as i brought my other arm up, body rolled down and back up and added a head slide...

            i felt like i was bastardizing the move, but it worked. :)
            • Re: Solo...

              Sun, December 16, 2007 - 11:10 AM
              I swear I haven't practiced my solo in almost a week now!!!
              I wonder how many repetitions I can fit in the next 48 hours??!??

              I'll make an early announcement, for anyone here at tribe who wants to feel like they know something,............
              but I'm pregnant.........
              I've only known for a week,
              and I'm only around a month,
              so I'm still adjusting,
              but what can I say,
              my husband and I really love each other
              (we must have felt really Thankful after turkey dinner)
              and the kids are going to be thrilled.
              We're announcing it as a Christmas surprise!!!
              Here we grow................
              • Re: Solo...

                Sun, December 16, 2007 - 3:33 PM
                AAAAHHHHH!!!!! CONGRATS!

                As for the solo... yeah, I haven't touched it yet. Have NO idea what I'm doing. It's my task for tonight/tomorrow after work-pick music, figure out a plan, rehearse. Good thing it's just for friends!
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                  Mon, December 17, 2007 - 8:16 AM
                  woohoo! New baby for Rachel. I'll bet you're totally cute dancing pregnant.

                  "Good thing it's just for friends!" No shit! Still haven't worked on it :o( I guess that's the plan for tonight, and if it's looking too rusty and doesn't work, then I'll just back out and let more people dance. I guess if I don't stick to the choreo it's not that big a deal since it's all just basically cued moves anyway...hmmm.

                  Ok, next time I come up with a solo I'll definitely put everyone's helpful hints to work.
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                Mon, December 17, 2007 - 12:43 PM
                aw, congratulations! how excited you must be!

                however, i feel this will not help the already nagging (screaming, shouting!) voice in my head that repeats, "baby, baby, baby...."
                :)
        • Re: Solo...

          Tue, December 18, 2007 - 9:47 AM
          Sweet Jesus! I've been away from tribe for too long and have missed everything!
          Wow, there's so much to say about this topic of soloing I don't know where to start!
          Firstly ,everyone's different and the "Whatever Works for You Best" always applies - this is YOUR chance to develop an individual and unique style. Having a varied dance backround is helpful. I've been dancing for quite a while and have learned many different styles of dance other than bellydance. I'm familiar with the music and the moves. The music tells my body how to dance.. In my mind, the music comes first and the dance comes second. This is basically what you call MIS - mixed interpretive steps. This is totally different than choreo. You shouldn't have to think too hard about "MIS"ing - but in order to get to that comfort level you have to practice, practice, practice! Make sense? Personally, it is much easier for me to MIS my solos and NOT choreo anything. I would rather know my music well and be spontaneous than get hung up on all the details.

          It is important to:
          pick a song that you love and that you can dance easily to
          relax and enjoy what you're doing because if you don't it will show up big time on your face!

          I gotta go - more thoughts later...
          • Re: Solo...

            Tue, December 18, 2007 - 11:00 AM
            "relax and enjoy what you're doing because if you don't it will show up big time on your face!"

            Thanks a bunch, Linnett! I guess that's the crux of the issue in the end, isn't it?

            I think I'm just going to listen to my music over and over tonight and stick with the couple of moves I've got in places that make sense, and just kinda wing the rest. Should be fine.

            Thanks for all the help! It's nice to hear other people's processes and realize that even if I'm not happy with my own it's not necessarily WRONG. It's just evolving.

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